Comments on: Not on Board the Vision Bandwagon http://www.changingorganisations.com/2009/07/not-on-board-the-vision-bandwagon/ Provocative thinking about organisational change Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:50:17 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: metal roofing new york http://www.changingorganisations.com/2009/07/not-on-board-the-vision-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-59027 metal roofing new york Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:18:42 +0000 http://www.changingorganisations.com/?p=1848#comment-59027 Nice post! Nice post!

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]]> By: Stephen http://www.changingorganisations.com/2009/07/not-on-board-the-vision-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-1984 Stephen Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:46:35 +0000 http://www.changingorganisations.com/?p=1848#comment-1984 Tom you are pointing out that identity (who we are) can be seen as a static thing. Hence your preference for the "who are we becoming?" question. However, identity is not necessarily static, and in fact I don't see it that way at all. That's why I love Rob Fyfe's question so much. "Who are we?" invites a story of who we are, and this story will always change, even if only in minute ways, every time it is told. And so the we-identities of those involved in the conversations about who we are will be constantly shifting. I don't know if that's what's in Rob Fyfe's mind when he asks this question, but nevertheless I think it is very elegant. Just a point about Mead's idea about meaning and identity emerging, the question that is asked does not stop, prevent or otherwise counteract meaning and identity emerging from each gesture / response conversation. It doesn't matter what the conversation is, what questions are asked, meaning will still be generated from the gesture and response taken together. So having a less elegant question will not stop meaning from emerging - a different question and/or different response will lead to different meaning emerging, but nevertheless the process will continue. Tom you are pointing out that identity (who we are) can be seen as a static thing. Hence your preference for the “who are we becoming?” question. However, identity is not necessarily static, and in fact I don’t see it that way at all. That’s why I love Rob Fyfe’s question so much. “Who are we?” invites a story of who we are, and this story will always change, even if only in minute ways, every time it is told. And so the we-identities of those involved in the conversations about who we are will be constantly shifting. I don’t know if that’s what’s in Rob Fyfe’s mind when he asks this question, but nevertheless I think it is very elegant.

Just a point about Mead’s idea about meaning and identity emerging, the question that is asked does not stop, prevent or otherwise counteract meaning and identity emerging from each gesture / response conversation. It doesn’t matter what the conversation is, what questions are asked, meaning will still be generated from the gesture and response taken together. So having a less elegant question will not stop meaning from emerging – a different question and/or different response will lead to different meaning emerging, but nevertheless the process will continue.

]]> By: Tom Gibbons http://www.changingorganisations.com/2009/07/not-on-board-the-vision-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-1974 Tom Gibbons Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:46:34 +0000 http://www.changingorganisations.com/?p=1848#comment-1974 I too am not a big fan of vision, mission and values and stopped using them in our work and organization some time ago. However I do not so much like the question "Who are we?" either in that it tends to objectify identity into a 'thing' that can be found and that is a static entity. I prefer the question, "What are we becoming?" as it keeps identity as an emergent process and for me fits Mead's concept of gesture/response and the meaning (identity) that emerges from interaction. Nice to have a CEO challenging the so often unassailable concepts of vision mission and values though! I too am not a big fan of vision, mission and values and stopped using them in our work and organization some time ago. However I do not so much like the question “Who are we?” either in that it tends to objectify identity into a ‘thing’ that can be found and that is a static entity. I prefer the question, “What are we becoming?” as it keeps identity as an emergent process and for me fits Mead’s concept of gesture/response and the meaning (identity) that emerges from interaction. Nice to have a CEO challenging the so often unassailable concepts of vision mission and values though!

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